By MATT DICKERSON
As an angler, my first conflict with kayakers came a few years ago in North Carolina on the Nantahala River near the Nantahala Outdoor Center, a popular destination offering kayak instruction, excellent water, and a kayak course.
For the same reasons the kayaking is good, the area also offers excellent fly-fishing. My brother and I were fishing for trout upstream of the center, but knew there might be kayakers and kept to the far shore away from the kayak course. So we were surprised when, as the first party came downriver, the lead kayaker, seeing us fishing, left the course, paddled directly at us while staring straight at my brother, splashed and swirled right where he was casting, then turned and left.
The next kayaker came near us — though not so close as to interfere with our casting — and apologized. We never did figure out why the first kayaker had acted as she did. Was she anti-fishing? Or did she see us as competition for the “resource” of the river, and try to drive us off?
Three weeks ago on Maine’s Rapid River, I had a similar experience. This time, the kayakers were even more aggressive, and the reason for the their behavior was almost certainly the second motivation. My friend Dave, my nephew Michael and I had spent three challenging hours negotiating rough terrain to reach this spot. The river is swift with steep wooded shores, and is inaccessible to fishing for most of its length.
We had been at the pool for less than 20 minutes when several kayakers emerged from the woods on the opposite side of the river.
The first kayaker — who proved to be the guide and trip leader — paddled across to where I was casting. He landed his boat on a rock 10 yards away, making it impossible for me to cast safely, and got out. He waited until I left, and then he got in his kayak and went back out onto the river. Meanwhile, a second kayaker paddled 40 yards to where my nephew was casting, and splashed around the river all around him until they had driven him off.
I was astounded at their lack of courtesy — no asking if I minded if they did some kayaking, or how long we would be there, or how far out into the river we wanted to cast.
If they had asked me if it was okay for them to paddle, I would have explained our own long trek to get there. But then, understanding that they had also put in considerable effort to use the same 75-yard stretch of water on a three-mile river, I would have volunteered to move upstream if I could have just 15 minutes more to fish where we were first. Assuming I had those 15 minutes, I would have felt good about the result.
Instead, I was irate. Dave, being more noble-minded, struck up a friendly conversation. He took pictures of them, and asked a few questions about their sport. Then he asked if they previously had to share the water with anglers, and if so what sort of ethics they thought would work. The guide had no answer. Dave asked him how long they’d be there. “Until our arms fall off,” was his reply.
Then I learned the sadder truth. Michael is also a kayaker. He told Dave and me, “Well you know, kayakers are taught to do that.” He said he’d seen new kayakers learn from their instructors how to drive off anglers by paddling around the area they are fishing, knowing that anglers will get frustrated and leave because the fishing has been ruined. Apparently, it is easier than trying to be courteous or learning to share the water. Or maybe it’s just more fun.
I’m not writing just to bash kayakers. We also had a similar unpleasant encounter a few miles away with a fly-fishing guide and three clients. Dave and I were fishing a small hole, just big enough for two of us, on another famous river. The guide appeared with his clients. Without a word two went to each side of the river and started casting almost over our lines. This time we held our ground on principle and outlasted the intruders, who obviously hoped we would get frustrated and leave.
When I returned to Vermont, I called Middlebury Mountaineer co-owner Steve Atocha, both a fly-fisher and a kayak guide and instructor. He’d never heard of behavior like we described, nor witnessed kayakers trying to drive off anglers. In all of his experience guiding and kayaking and fishing, the parties had always worked well to share the river and respect each other.
Then it dawned on me. My bad experiences — including others with anglers — were on famous rivers where people come from far away. When fishing locally, the anglers and kayaker I meet on the water are usually the same folks I bump into around town. By contrast, on famous rivers that people travel far to paddle and fish, there is little sense of community. The river is just a resource, and other users are competitors to be defeated.
This discourtesy is a new experience for me. I have decades of fishing experience during which, even on famous rivers far from home, I have been treated in a friendly courteous manner. Until recently, anglers I’ve met — complete strangers — would bend over backwards not to invade water I was fishing unless specifically invited.
But that is changing, perhaps because there are growing demands for recreation on fewer waters. I’m not sure what will happen, or what I should do, but I hope somebody figures something out. Until then, basic courtesy would be a good place to start.
Comments
Rude kayakers
June 28, 2009 by Frank (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1678
It sounds like someone has encountered jerks who happened to be kayakers. I and my friends here in New Jersey always extend every courtesy possible to fisherman, swimmers, fellow boaters and anyone else we encounter on Barnegat Bay and the rivers and creeks of our Pine Barrens
We don't have a policy of harrassing anyone. I don't know who the instructors that Michael talked about are but I and three of my friends are also part time kayak instructors and neither us nor any of our other instructor acquaintances teach such 'tactics'.
Other Way Around
June 28, 2009 by TomB (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1679
Not trying to start an argument here. But my experience here in Florida had it the other way around. I started Kayaking about 5 years ago and brought the wife and 2 young kids into it as well. We mainly paddle on the Indian and Banana Rivers. What we experienced most frequently was fisher folk hanging out by the only put-ins/take-outs and casting over our kayaks--a safety problem for us for sure. This happened over and over again. One (just one) example comes to mind. This was early on in our kayaking journey. Myself, wife, and son and daughter (all under 12 at the time) were paddling our SOT's by a sea wall to the only (only--as in only one) viable put in spot when a guy with a swedish exercise ball for a belly started yelling "No, I'm not fishing here, I'm not fishing here" and started casting at my boat with my daughter in the back. We had words. He left. We lost our natural buzz.
When out in open water we always steer clear of fishing people because they are often being unsafe anyway (drinking beer, casting sharp objects at people, and being VERY close-minded people--not at all like the author of this article). I learned to treat fisher folk as rude and potentially dangerous red necks to be avoided.
There is ignorance/intolerance on BOTH sides, my friends.
But the author is definitely onto the right idea. Other times I come to the put in (again, where people are inevitably fishing) and will give as wide a birth as possible and say something like, don't mean to disturb your fishing. That has always elicited to date a more positive response on their part.
FWIW
Correction
June 28, 2009 by TomB (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1680
"Myself, wife, and son and daughter (all under 12 at the time)" --my wife and I were not under 12. ;)
If you know that kayakers are
June 28, 2009 by Karen (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1681
If you know that kayakers are intentionally trying to run you off, you should take your lines out of the water and lay back and turn on a loud radio with unappealing music. Most people trying to get intouch with nature will get away from the noise and they can kayak past you and you can begin to fish again. There is no use of getting upset. If they are that rude they will not care about your feelings.
Sorry to hear it.
June 29, 2009 by Guest (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1683
Its seems like many other situations.
Whether you are a non white male in the waters of corporate America, a women fighting in the field of surgery or a fisherman in Kayak compatible waters.
Just the same old same old.
There is always a bunch that wants to dominate.
FL paddler also
June 29, 2009 by FLkrakr (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1684
I also am a FL paddler. Our paddlers down here have the problem of almost being run over by motorboaters. I paddle the Chassahowitzka River a LOT. I make it a point to stay well to the side of the river and away from the channel. It's just common courtesy, which 99% of the boaters lack. They see kayakers/canoers in plenty of time to slow down so as not to cause a large wake and possibly swamping our kayaks/canoes.
I was recently on Lake Rousseau in the northern part of Citrus county. I had not been on the water 20 minutes and no less than 15 bass boats came flying around a curve in the river, one right after the other. All I could do was sit there trying to keep my kayak from being swamped.
I'd like to get a cheap kayak and a blow up doll and stick it right in the channel. Then sit back and watch some of these boaters come flying around a curve and see how they react. Why would you go flying around a curve in the river not knowing what was there? What if I had been a deaf kayaker?
There's a push in FL for kayakers/canoers to register their boats and take safety courses. But they boaters don't think they need the safety course.....I beg to differ!
I've not had the same problem with people fishing. I always paddle as far around them as I can. If I can't get far enough away then I let them know that I cam coming through and "Please, don't hit me with your bait!"
I did have one instance of being in Snapper Cove on Chassahowtizka River and a boat full of fisherpeople came in and proceeded to throw their lines in. This is a small cove and not a lot of room to maneuver with a bunch of lines in the water. The boat arrived well after I had been there. There was no way I could get out without disturbing them. I didn't feel the need to apologize in that instance...THEY were the ones that had come in knowing that I was there.
There just seems to be a lack of common courtesy AND common sense these days.
Whatever
June 29, 2009 by TomB (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1685
"Whether you are a non white male in the waters of corporate America,"
Whatever! Silliness. At least 'non-white males' are right now having free (as in "I didn't work for it at all") college education and ride in life. Stop whining and work for what you want. You can't give someone self-respect.
Anglers vs. Kayakers
June 29, 2009 by Andy Diamond (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1686
I am saddened reading your article. I have never heard of such behavior. I am an avid flat to lower-class-faster-moving water kayaker who comes into conact with a lot of people fishing. My experience is that we all try to respect each other's space the best possible , smile and wave. (And this is just outside of Boston where we are famous for not acknowledging anyone as we pass by on the street!) My biggest frustration often comes in the form of folks with power boats who are fishing or skiing and unconscious of anyone else on the water with them. But that is not the norm. I don't know anyone who kayaks who would purposefully harrass fishermen/women unless they observed them doing something harmful to the environment. Most of us who enjoy the outdoors respect our environment and fellow travelers along the way. I do kayak in a fair amount in Vermont and in New York also and have never had a similar experience there either. Shame on anyone who teaches or practices anything but peaceful co-existence on our rivers. One would like to think that anyone who wanted to enjoy and preserve our special, pristine places would welcome anyone else who shared the same values.
Not a fair representation
June 29, 2009 by Jason (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1687
This was a disturbing article. Especially the "kayakers are instructed" comment. I've never heard of anyone being instructed to be an idiot on the water. What would you get out of annoying someone else on the water for no reason? I have come across fisherman, kayakers, and boaters who need a lesson in manors, but I don't believe this is a taught trait, nor do i believe it is "the norm" on rivers and lakes. I have come across more pleasant people on the water than the other way around. We are all sharing a common mindset, and that is "we are in nature and enjoying nature". Most wouldn't ruin what we feel is a special privilege by starting fights and just being idiots for no reason. I am a fisherman, a kayaker, and a boater and I go out of my way to not disturb the enjoyment of the resources others are enjoying, and i believe that most people do the same.
Score another one for overpopulation
June 29, 2009 by Guest (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1688
Too many people, too little space. Rats also behave aggressively when crowded. Stop with the breeding already.
Unfortunate opportunity
June 30, 2009 by D (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1689
I've had a few incidents like you've described. You are absolutely correct to deal with them courteously. Take the opportunity to "instruct" the others in both partys that we can all share the resource and such rudeness is just poor behavior.
As a kayaker, I'd like to
July 1, 2009 by Nathan (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1690
As a kayaker, I'd like to apologize for the actions of those RUDE folks that interrupted your time in nature. Never once have I been told to "paddle toward fishermen to drive them off", nor would I ever think to do such a thing.
As a fellow fly fisherman, I can understand how you could be so upset. Here in central (and southern) Kentucky, I have yet to experience such actions.
While kayaking on my local stream, Elkhorn Creek that runs through our state capitol, Frankfort, there's been numerous times that I've floated upon people wading & fishing - but it's usually a chance for me to get the fishing report for the day (if I'm not fishing myself). I've never ever heard of such actions employed by boaters, and I hope I'm never involved or observe such uncivil acts.
As the saying goes, it only takes a few to mess it up for the rest of us. I can assure you the majority of boaters (at least in my neck of the woods...) would never be such [insert language of choice].
For what it's worth, paddling is a great way to access some great fishing spots that otherwise couldn't be reached. Instead of spending those 3 anticipating hours hiking to that fishing hole, you could float the river, fishing spots that might never see an elk hair caddis or bead head prince nymph, then arrive at the wading area of your choice. Just a thought. : )
courtesy
July 1, 2009 by ROD (not verified), 1 year 9 weeks ago
Comment id: 1691
Unbelievable! This is truely a sad story. Being a angler and a kayaker it is very disturbing to see people act in this manner.
Tension with Fishermen in NC - Caused by TroutUnlimited
July 3, 2009 by NewKayaker (not verified), 1 year 8 weeks ago
Comment id: 1692
I'm sorry you had the experience that you did, but I just wanted to offer another possible explanation for the negativity towards fishermen, especially in North Carolina.
Trout Unlimited partnered up with the SELC (southern env. law center) to shut down the Upper Tellico Off Highway Vehicle area in western NC a few years ago. Through their overwhelming funding and political influence they have succeeded in shutting the off road area down temporarily, claiming that sediment runoff from the trail system was somehow harming the native brook trout more than overfishing and stocking non-natives. The whole "don't accidentally kill them before I get a chance to purposely impale them" routine. So the Forest Service can't afford to repair and maintain trails since they are so busy fighting off lawsuits from TU and their pals.
As you can imagine there is a lot of animosity and resentment towards Trout Unlimited and unfortunately regular anglers by association. Most off roaders (jeeps, toyotas etc.) are outdoorsy in many other ways, including hunting, fishing, kayaking, mt. biking and hiking. We respect the outdoors and other users. But now there is a divide between the elitists (TU) and the average outdoorsman.
There are only a few really vocal TU members pushing this agenda. They want to claim public lands for themselves only. But the rest of the membership needs to be aware of the problems their leadership is creating. Just offering this up as a possibility.
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